Listen in to a panel of evangelicals discuss their thoughts on the 2012 presidential race on the eve of the Iowa Caucus.
Joshua Caucutt – Pastoral Assistant, Denver Sound Church, Co-Host of the Sound Church Guys Video Podcast
Thomas Haskins – Author, In the Words of Our Founding Fathers
Dan Horvatin – TEA Party Leader, Rock River Patriots
Our 45 minute podcast seem to fly by as we spent a surprising good amount of time talking about Congressman Ron Paul, his views and his chances at getting the nomination. But, the majority of the time we looked at issues such as can an evangelical vote for a Mormon candidate, what factors should Christians consider when looking for a candidate and how should we view third party candidates. You won’t want to miss the somewhat-heated discussion surrounding the issue of homosexual marriage. We ended with predictions of just how things are going to turn out for conservatives in 2012.
Mentioned during the show – The Mitt Romney Deception (Podcast with Amy Contrada talking about her books detailing how Mitt Romney is responsible for homosexual marriage in Massachusetts) and Sorry, Governor Romney, Mormonism is a Cult (Podcast with Pastor Dan Gibson, a former Mormon, detailing the history and doctrines of the Mormon church).
Because of problems on our side, Pastor Michael Carl (of Christ the King Church and Ministries, Powerlines News Network and WorldNetDaily) was unable to join us but was willing to give some quick answers to some of the topics mentioned during the broadcast.
Q: How do you explain the rise of Ron Paul this year?
A: There’s no logical explanation for Paul’s surge except that it’s an anti-Romney thing, and/or, the voters in Iowa are highly unimpressed by the crew that the GOP has trotted out before them.
Q: Can Evangelicals vote for a Mormon?
A: Yes, evangelicals can vote for a Mormon. The deeper question is how to defend that position. On the other hand, this is an amazing opportunity Christians didn’t have in the Nixon era and before. The only time a candidate’s religion has surfaced is over Catholic Al Smith and Catholic (nominal) JFK. This is an opportunity to proclaim the true Gospel message without trashing the Mormon. We let the truth speak for itself. However, the ultimate question is whether voting for the Mormon is a sufficient restraint of the greater evil if an atheist, a Muslim, or a complete secular humanist should win.
Q: Any predictions?
A: Romney will be nominated and lose to Obama.
Q: What factors shoudl Christians consider when looking for a candidate?
A: Christians should seek a candidate that most fully embodies the character of 1 Timothy 3 and who supports the worldview of, ‘They are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’
Q: How should we consider third party and independent candidates?
A: There’s no easy answer to that because there are good arguments (restraint of greater evil v. ‘the lesser of two evils is still evil) on both sides and faithful followers of Christ have defended both positions.
Q: Do you support a particular candidate?
A: N/A because I don’t know. I’m holding out to see if the Constitution Party shows up this election.
Q: How involved should Evangelicals be in this election?
A: If evangelicals/Bible-believing Christians don’t get involved, they abandon the governance of their country to ungodly men and women. And where is that defensible from Scripture???
I cannot tell you how much I appreciated these words from Dr. White. I know as a Current Events teacher so often I am guilty of a lack of outrage at sins that have become so common place in our society. Yet, Dr. White reminds us that not only must we need to be outraged at such perversions such as homosexual marriage, but that rage should be matched with tears – the same tears that fell from the eyes of Jeremiah weeping over the sins of his people.
Join us this week as we welcome Amy Contrada, the author of Mitt Romney’s Deception: His Stealth Promotion of “Gay Rights” and “Gay Marriage” in Massachusetts. Ever since his first run for President, Romney has been under attack for his seemingly too convenient changes of mind when it comes to such issues as abortion and a universal healthcare mandate. However, this book exposes more then a mere flip-flop, it details (with over 900 footnotes) the former Governor’s complete about face on the issue of homosexual rights including homosexual marriage.
According to the Amazon product description:
Mitt Romney’s Deception reveals the former Massachusetts Governor’s promotion of “gay rights,” his unconstitutional implementation of “gay marriage,” and his support for sexual-radical programs in the Massachusetts schools. The outrages Romney failed to halt set horrible precedents for radical leftist victories nationwide. Contrary to his claim that he defended marriage, the Constitution, traditional values, and religious freedom, he actually undermined them. Contrada’s research will prove invaluable in assessing Mitt Romney as a Presidential candidate. Focusing on the issue of “gay rights,” Contrada documents his largely untold history as Governor. During those years (2003-2006), Romney: • worked closely with homosexual activists and pro-gay rights advisors • implemented “gay marriage,” violating the Massachusetts Constitution • pushed a constitutional amendment strategy doomed to failure, and ignored the call to remove the “gay marriage” judges • funded and promoted GLBT indoctrination in the public schools through his Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and his Department of Education “Safe Schools” programs • undermined religious freedom, failing to defend Catholic Charities in the “homosexual adoptions” fiasco • continued or implemented radical GLBT programs in his executive departments This superbly documented history has over 900 detailed footnotes. It is a unique resource by an activist on the front lines of the culture war during Mitt Romney’s term as Governor.
So, listen this week as Amy Contrada herself tells us why we should be a bit skeptical of this particular candidate who panders to the religious right in Iowa by claiming to be a champion of their family values. His record just simply does not add up. If you can’t trust a man’s record, why should you trust his words?
Watch a youtube summary of the book here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwwcAa6nHm4 (warning – some graphic images here)
How should Christians respond to those struggling with homosexuality? Al Mohler has an excellent bog post today on exactly that topic. Too often Christians have been guilty of arrogant, homophobic hatred. Christians ought to be known as those who acknowledge their own sin and reach out in love to others in sin. We have not done this in regard to homosexuals.
Mohler addresses the recent suicide of a college student who had found out that his roomate had recorded his romantic encounter with another man and posted it online. It is a must read. (Bold and italics are mine)
The gay rights movement was fast to claim that Tyler Clementi was a victim of gay bullying. While the motive of his roommate and accomplices is not known, the undeniable result was that Tyler was exposed before the world through the power of social media — in this case a very dangerous power indeed.
He was humiliated, angry, and horribly confused. His confusion is evident in his Internet musings, in which he swings in mood from outright indignation to the reflection that, other than this incident, his roommate was basically decent.
Somewhere in the midst of his heartbreak and confusion, Tyler decided to end his life. He posted his announcement on his Facebook page and headed for the George Washington Bridge. There, he ended his short life with a long plunge into the Hudson River.
Reading the news accounts of Tyler’s final days and final act is truly horrifying. He was betrayed by classmates and exposed to the world. At the age of 18, it was simply too much for him to bear. A young man who probably never considered suicide in the past, and who might never have considered it again in the future, felt himself pushed on that day beyond his emotional limits, so he pushed himself off the bridge.
Tyler joined Billy, Seth, and Asher as tragic evidence of the dangerous intersection of sexual confusion, hateful classmates, and the wide-open world of social media. These boys simply ran out of the emotional ability to face life, crushed by the burden of secrets and the bullying of their peers.
The homosexual community will argue that these boys were oppressed by the fact that so many believe that homosexuality is sinful. They respond with calls for the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality. Their logic is easy to understand. If the stigma attached to homosexuality were to disappear, persons who are convinced that they are homosexual in sexual orientation, along with those who are confused, would be free from bullying, the threat of exposure, and injury to their parents and loved ones.
Of course, Christians committed to biblical truth will recognize this as a demand to lie to sinners about their sin. The church cannot change its understanding of the sinfulness of homosexual acts unless it willfully disobeys the Scripture and rejects the authority of the Bible to reveal the truth about sin and sinfulness.
In other words, the believing church cannot surrender to the demand that we disobey and reject biblical truth. That much is clear. We cannot lie to persons about the sinfulness of their sin, nor comfort them with falsehood about their moral accountability before God. The rush of the liberal churches and denominations to normalize homosexuality is now a hallmark of their disobedience to the Bible.
But this is not the end of the matter, and we know it. When gay activists accuse conservative Christians of homophobia, they are wrong. Our concern about the sinfulness of homosexuality is not rooted in fear, but in faithfulness to the Bible — and faithfulness means telling the truth.
Yet, when gay activists accuse conservative Christians of homophobia, they are also right. Much of our response to homosexuality is rooted in ignorance and fear. We speak of homosexuals as a particular class of especially depraved sinners and we lie about how homosexuals experience their own struggle. Far too many evangelical pastors talk about sexual orientation with a crude dismissal or with glib assurances that gay persons simply choose to be gay. While most evangelicals know that the Bible condemns homosexuality, far too many find comfort in their own moralism, consigning homosexuals to a theological or moral category all their own.
What if Tyler Clementi had been in your church? Would he have heard biblical truth presented in a context of humble truth-telling and gospel urgency, or would he have heard irresponsible slander, sarcastic jabs, and moralistic self-congratulation? What about Asher and Billy and Seth?
Read the whole piece here – http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/10/04/between-the-boy-and-the-bridge-a-haunting-question/
Due to some tehcnical difficulties, there was about a four minute delay in today’s program – part 2 of our look at a Biblical perspective on homosexual marriage. So, if you download the program, you will hear about four minutes of silence before the program actually begins. I apologize for the error.
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Last week we began a discussion on the controversial topic of homosexual marriage. Yet, our focus was not merely to take a political stance, but to search the Scriptures and discover what God wants us to know about the subject. This week we continue this discussion and will get even more controversial by getting into the political side of the issue. Tune in, you might be surprised to hear where our host, Kevin Thompson, stands on this. Listener comments from last week will also be addressed in this broadcast.
Broadcast – Understanding Our Times
Time – Saturday, February 6, at 6:00 pm EST/5:00pm CST
Length – 30 Minutes
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I know I have mentioned this before, but I feel the need to vent once again. Carrie Prejean, now the former Miss California, is an embarrassment for evangelicals everywhere. Back a few months ago, Prejean made headlines because she made some pro-marriage statements during the Miss America beauty contest. She won second place, robbed of the top ranking some say because of these comments.
At once she became the darling of the social conservative evangelical community as she continued to be mocked by homosexual activists and progressives everywhere. She was booked on all the big conservative programs. Religious leaders called her a role model – someone not afraid to stand up for her faith.
But let us evaluate exactly what she said that evening. Here are her comments:
“We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised.”
This is not exactly a rousing endorsement of God’s plan for marriage. She is merely stating a personal opinion, not defending a Biblical belief. She bases her belief on marriage on how she was raised, which just happens to follow a Biblical model. Do you see the difference? Now, while this statement is not exactly a profession of faith, I am more than willing to admit it still took courage to say. However, this is more of a reflection of “family values” and conservative opinion as opposed to Biblical absolutes.
So, the statement itself was weak. Also keep in mind the venue in which she was saying it. She was competing in a beauty contest run by Donald Trump. She was strutting around half-naked being leered by judges only concerned with outward appearance. I’m not sure what kind of family values this portrays.
After the big event, we found out even more information about this so-called champion for family values – Ms. California had once posed for some topless photographs which quickly hit the internet. She defended herself by declaring that she was a Christian and a model, and sometimes models take these kinds of photos. Models may take these photographs, but should Christians?
Where was the Christian outrage? I could not find very much. In fact, many Christians I know still defended the woman. After all, she is against homosexual marriage… These pictures were just part of a conspiracy against Christians. Give me a break!
The latest news is that Miss Prejean has been fired even as Miss California for failing to live up to contractual agreements. She was not doing her job. To be honest, I do not know how legit these claims are, but the same Donald Trump who defended her during the picture fiasco is the same Donald Trump who now signed her pink slip. But, still Christians are convinced that this is part of a conspiracy. Hollywood liberals are out to destroy a godly Christian. Again, give me a break!
It always amazes me how simple minded some in my own circles can be. It seems like when anybody says anything that can be vaguely construed as religious, they are instantly heralded as the raising star we’ve been waiting for. Hurray, we’ve found somebody who is popular and mainstream! But, just as quickly as we build them up, they fall down. Of course, they have no where to go but down. We don’t bother to look for substance or depth, we just jump at the first site of what may appear as faith. Should we be surprised that such people so often disappoint us?
I think this has even seeped into the way we evangelize. I was at a meeting a few weeks ago that was described to me as evangelistic. Yet, as the speaker began to give the gospel, it sounded more like an “inspirational” message. He was describing how bad things were today. He spoke to those who dreamed of a better life. To those people, he boldly proclaimed that this man named Jesus wants to help them. He so desperately wants to rescue them from their situations and develop a meaningful relationship with them. How does one obtain such a relationship? We must first admit we are sinners. We all make mistakes in life, don’t we? Second, we must believe that Jesus wants to save us. Finally, we must call upon Jesus. Ask Him into your heart. He led asked all those interested in doing this to come forward and surround the pulpit, which several people then did. He led these people in a quick prayer, looked up and declared these folks to be saved.
My heart was crushed. In reality, salvation was just reduced to walking a few steps and closing your eyes at the right moment. This pastor, without ever meeting or talking with any of these people, declared them all to be saved! Why? Because they walked an isle and closed their eyes. Is this really Biblical salvation? Absolutely not. It is a shallow replacement. It is a gospel that is really not a gospel.
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. – Galatians 1:6-10
The message I heard appealed to man’s aspirations and good intentions. The gospel appeals to sinners who realize their helpless condition. Men must realize they are not good people in need of a better relationship and a better situation in life, but sinners before a holy God. A Savior is only appealing to those who need saving. They must be made to understand this Savior is their only option. Pulling up ones self by their own bootstraps is not an option or even a possibility. What makes God’s love so great is recognizing that the object of that love is completely undeserving. This sounds awfully negative, but men must be made aware of the seriousness of their sin. This is what makes the Good news, just that.
The situation I described here can also be descriptive of thousands of church services each Sunday. Many people come, walk an isle, pray a prayer, sign a card, and then never be heard from again. Why? No real change has taken place. Why? No one ever took the time to describe the real gospel to them. If people were already good to start with and have now added Jesus to their lives, why would that have a need to do anything else? Nothing in their lives has changed. The gospel cannot be reduced to a mere decision or affirmation of stated fact. Yet, because of shallowness, laziness or so-called simplicity, many people will find themselves in hell after having been told they were on their way to Heaven. This is the tragic consequence of an incomplete, watered-down and ultimately false gospel.
Where the true gospel is preached, is will produce results. The results may not be thousands flooding to a pulpit during an invitation. But why does that matter if none of them ever step foot in a church again? What good are commitment-free professions of faith? Are we looking for quantity or quality?
Fellow Christians, it is time to grow up.
And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. – Ephesians 4:11-14
About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. 14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. – Hebrews 5:11-14
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Let us not be content with mere platitudes about morality. Let us never again be satisfied with shallow preaching. Crave the Word of God! Cultivate a desire to delve into the depths of Scripture. Sound doctrine ought to be our life and breath. Why? It is through the depths of the teaching of God’s Word that we grow in our knowledge of Jesus Christ. Relationships are built on knowledge. The more we learn about Christ, the deeper the relationship we may have with Him.
Allow me to use my wife as an example. Since Christ compared His relationship with us to a marriage (Ephesians 5), I feel justified. When I first started getting to know the woman that would one day be my bride, we began our relationship with a simple understanding of each other. We started to find some common interests and favorite hobbies. I knew the basic details of the woman. Then, as things began to grow more serious, we started sharing more intimate details such as life goals, dreams and even insecurities. At each stage of our relationship, our level of knowledge about each other increased. Then we finally reached a level in our relationship when we both decided that we knew each other enough that love was blooming. We decided to express that love in marriage. Yet, looking back on that time, Jill and I both realize that in actuality, we knew very little about other that day, at least compared with what we know each other now. I’m sure in the future we’ll be saying the same things about this current moment in our relationship.
The same should be true, but on a much larger scale when it comes to our relationship with Christ. As our relationship grows as our knowledge of Christ grows. Doctrine is what tells us more and more about the One we love. Surface knowledge is easy and sometimes praised, but leaves a lover of Christ unsatisfied.
Now, apply this to evangelism. Instead of spreading a shallow gospel that can never satisfy, would it not be better to take our time and explain the full story? Allow the Holy Spirit to change a life through the Word of God in whatever time that takes as opposed to three or four step presentation that only takes a few minutes. Instead of pressuring for a decision, we allow the truth to take hold of one’s soul.
The point of this rambling blog piece is this – beware of mere simplicity. It will always leave us disappointed and the results may be tragic. Learn to discern. Use your mind and cultivate the gifts God has given you. Grow in your faith and work to develop a more mature and deeper relationship with Christ. Don’t be afraid or judgmental of Biblical doctrine or of those who teach – it is for your good and for God’s glory!
End of Rant.